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belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it has anything do with how people end up committing crimes like this? and not able to deal with the success he earned? >> andrea: i think there is a family element to certain things. maybe the way he was raised or how he wasn't raised. maybe he wasn't taught right from wrong. i have a hard time buying this. this is a total argument. a but-for argument. but for the family he would haven't don
belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all...
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belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk toed his mother, kissed his baby girl and left. he drove five miles to the chiefs' practice field after several minutes of pleading with him, they couldn't talk belcher off the ledge. belcher thanked the coaches, knelt down beside a car, made a sign of a cross and put a shot to his fare hoed ending his life -- fairhead ending his life. serve trying to make this about their issue. nbc and bob costas used the tragedy to promote gun control. remember this? >> in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and the possible connection to football will be analyzed. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkin
belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk...
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jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with other people in media. same with whitlock, who is a chucklehead. this guy in the knickss when he was talking about jeremy lin played off a stereotypical deficiency i'm not even going to get in to. who refers to the nra as kkk. he is a bigot. apologize for that. >> bob: what is a ghoul? >> greg: somebody uses tragedy to build himself up. he is a hypocrite. because he doesn't worry about being armed. people are armed for him. we live in a building right now, we work atuilding right now, where everybody has a gun outside. we're lucky. the rest of the public doesn't. >> bob: er
jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points...
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belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly this is a guy who was taken painkillers. nfl players are four times more likely than the general population to take narcotic painkillers and he was drinking on those painkillers. if you want a reason that's your -- >> wait, doctor ablow, so you say that the analysis should have been he did it and he is responsible. you don't disagree with that? >> don't disagree at all. one of the drivers of his action was the drinking and the drug taking? >> correct. >> bill: all right. that seems to be logical dr. ablow to make that kind of analysis. always with the headline he di
belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly...
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javon belcher kills kasandra perkins. by 8:10 he has a gun to his head in front of his head coach and time president. by 10:00 a.m. the nfl has already informed the carolina panthers that they need to be in kansas city the next day to play a game, and by 3:00 p.m. the nfl is putting out press releases saying, wait a minute the game is going o-but the it's the decision of the chiefs' captain and coach who just saw a player blow his brains out in front of him. maybe the captains voted to do it. i don't know for sure if that is, in fact, true. why should that be the decision of the chiefs players? imagine a similar circumstance if a pilot saw something similar with their spouse and then said, well, i'm ready to fly a plane a few hours later? no, someone would step in and say you need a time-out. i'm interviewed a lot of nfl players, and what they say is that the playing field is the most dangerous bh you're distracted. the idea the game went on when players wrestle with the fact a teammate say murderer and also a suicide sta
javon belcher kills kasandra perkins. by 8:10 he has a gun to his head in front of his head coach and time president. by 10:00 a.m. the nfl has already informed the carolina panthers that they need to be in kansas city the next day to play a game, and by 3:00 p.m. the nfl is putting out press releases saying, wait a minute the game is going o-but the it's the decision of the chiefs' captain and coach who just saw a player blow his brains out in front of him. maybe the captains voted to do it. i...
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it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that somebody you said had a long history of mental disturbances, alcoholism and domestic abuse he could be allowed to buy guns legally and freely? >> kimberly: he applied for a permit and he was able to have a weapon. that is his legal, lawful right. >> bob: even if he is a -- >> kimberly: hold on. depending on what kind -- they don't keep people that you think you have too many drinks or not from buying weapons. that is not one of the criteria. >> eric: same guy, doesn't get a gun because you want to ban handguns or whatever, same guy is in a car and that is okay? same guy. >> bob: can y
it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that...
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belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his personal life? >> no major troubles in his life. everybody has some issues in their personal life. i mean, all of us here have issues in our personal life. and everybody handles issues differently. he seemed like a strong-willed individual to me. he's a leader. he was sitting in the front of the classroom. he's a first to the drills. i'm not a psychologist. i don't know what made him snap. >> reporter: perkins' family spokesperson said there were never any signs of trouble in the relationship, described them as loving couple and belcher never abused her the family says and t
belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his...
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the nfl steps in with a million dollars for jovan belcher's orphan daughter and high resolution images of your planet earth from space. the new technology uses filtering techniques that allows the images such as city lights, gas flares, auroras, wildfires and reflecting moonlight to be seen by the naked eye. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner for patients with afib not caused by a heart valve problem, t
the nfl steps in with a million dollars for jovan belcher's orphan daughter and high resolution images of your planet earth from space. the new technology uses filtering techniques that allows the images such as city lights, gas flares, auroras, wildfires and reflecting moonlight to be seen by the naked eye. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who...
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chiefs linebacker jovan belcher. as we said, he killed his girlfriend and himself in that murder-suicide. now, just a few months ago we saw the suicide of football player junior seau, another linebacker. do you think this could be related to the game? >> it's a lot of stress that comes along with the nfl. it's hard to pinpoint if it was strictly just the football. obviously, he must have had some sort of issues back at home resulting in the situation with his girlfriend. he might have had a 3-month-old daughter as well, so the fact that he took his life into his own hands in this kind of fashion showed that he might have had some issues outside of football. it could have been stress from the game, but it might have been more of a personal issue than football itself. >> sanjay gupta has done a whole lot of work on the affect of concussions that are common in football. i'm just curious. do you think -- have you ever heard anything about him having a concussion and might that have played a role? >> not that i've been to
chiefs linebacker jovan belcher. as we said, he killed his girlfriend and himself in that murder-suicide. now, just a few months ago we saw the suicide of football player junior seau, another linebacker. do you think this could be related to the game? >> it's a lot of stress that comes along with the nfl. it's hard to pinpoint if it was strictly just the football. obviously, he must have had some sort of issues back at home resulting in the situation with his girlfriend. he might have had...
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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> well, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you ca
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt like they were in any danger. at least that's according to police. but then he shot himself right in front of them. the police now know exactly what happened. what they're trying to figure out in this investigation is obviously why it happened. >> yeah, i mean 25 years old. he'd been really just sort of a, an underdog in a lot of ways and he'd been so successful in that. there have been six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in the past two years. which is an unprecedented number. what are they looking in
that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt...
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every night. you know what, ryan? i appreciate that very much. so i'm sending you a nice christmas present. hope you enjoy it. finally tonight, the factor tip of the day, as you may know, we raise money for the wounded warrior project and for the fisher house which provides support to the families of military people hurt in action. we're pleased to announce that the sotheby's auction house here in new york city will put a wounded warrior's poster signed by all five living american presidents up for bid on december 14th. there are only three of these posters we know in the world, and nothin
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every...
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jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were completely shocked by this. it seems so out of character. having said that, as you know, there's been at least six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in just the past two years. murder-suicide unprecedented. however there are some people this morning who are speculating these tragedies could have been linked to undiagnosed concussion injuries. any truth to that? >> well, we don't know if there's truth to it, but it's certainly a natural area of inquiry. the nfl has been trying in the last couple of years to deal with the issue of concussions. as you menti
jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were...
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the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new 3-month-old. do we know any more about why, what was going on behind the scene? >> there's been some talk about some troubles in the relationship between jovan belcher and his girlfriend okay sandra p -- okcassandra perkins. >> there were talks about whether the chiefs would go ahead with the game. for the coach and for the team, everybody is still scratching their heads because the coach witnessing jovan belcher taking his own life. >> imagine the situation. a day before a game, general manager of the team, coach and assistant coach were trying to talk to belcher, trying to talk him out of what he was about to d
the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new...
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they say belcher shot his girlfriend several times. after shooting her he drove to arrowhead stadium where he spoke briefly with the general manager and the head coach romeo krennel before turning the gun on himself. the chiefs decided play the game and won their first home game of the season. before the game players and fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. both sides taking a phoept o moment together. the little girl will be taken to long island and raised by his girlfriend's mother. funeral arrangements have not been released for either one of them. jenna: brad underwood in kansas city. thank you very much for that. as many of you know and have heard in the news today, a well-known tv sports personality talked about this tragedy and how it relates to gun control. we are going to take a look at that with our news watch panel coming up in just a few minutes. jon: russia is now urging north korea to call off its plans to fire a long range missile. it's a move the u.s. state department calls a threat to pea
they say belcher shot his girlfriend several times. after shooting her he drove to arrowhead stadium where he spoke briefly with the general manager and the head coach romeo krennel before turning the gun on himself. the chiefs decided play the game and won their first home game of the season. before the game players and fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. both sides taking a phoept o moment together. the little girl will be taken to long island and raised by his...
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they are grieving and we send our condolences. >> belcher's hometown, a vigil was held for the former high school stole. the couple reportedly had argued recently. they leave behind a 3-month-old baby. >>> residents in northern california may finally be getting a break from a series of powerful storms that have saturated the region over the past week. a third storm sunday dumped pounding rain and downed trees and power lines. nbc's jay gray has the latest from california. >> reporter: this morning the water and worries continue to rise across central and northern california. for almost a week now, high winds and heavy rains have pounded the west coast. trees and power lines are downed, rivers and creeks pushed past their banks. >> everybody behind us has lost almost everything. everyone's been evacuated. it's horrible. i've never seen nothing like this in real life, never. >> reporter: it is an overwhelming reality for countless families. sandbagging, trying to protect what they could, but many were still forced to find higher ground. >> it is a helpless feeling. it is. >> reporter: t
they are grieving and we send our condolences. >> belcher's hometown, a vigil was held for the former high school stole. the couple reportedly had argued recently. they leave behind a 3-month-old baby. >>> residents in northern california may finally be getting a break from a series of powerful storms that have saturated the region over the past week. a third storm sunday dumped pounding rain and downed trees and power lines. nbc's jay gray has the latest from california....
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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police have just released the identity of belcher's girlfriend as 22-year-old cassandra perkins. she died in the hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds inflicted by the 25-year-old, the starting linebacker for the kansas city chiefs. he's been with the organization for four years until this morning when he took his own life outside the stadium. he did this before thanking his coach and general manager for all they've done for him. we heard from darren snap, from the kansas city police department. he set up the scene and told us what happened this morning. listen. >> the coaches said when he pulled up, he was -- they were never in danger of the he never threatened them or anything. they talked for a little bit and that's when he shot himself. >> this all happened about an hour after police say he shot perkins multiple times at a home only five miles from the stadium. his mother called 911 from the home. the second shooting which happened outside the practice building, caused whole chiefs facility to go on lock down today. the event sent shock waves throughout the communi
police have just released the identity of belcher's girlfriend as 22-year-old cassandra perkins. she died in the hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds inflicted by the 25-year-old, the starting linebacker for the kansas city chiefs. he's been with the organization for four years until this morning when he took his own life outside the stadium. he did this before thanking his coach and general manager for all they've done for him. we heard from darren snap, from the kansas city police...
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new details about the final hours of jovan belcher apartments life. he spent the night with another woman before going home in the morning fighting with his girlfriend, cassandra perkins and shooting her repeatedly. many people report he was drunk the night before and spent the night at the home of another woman. dr. keith ablow is here. take us through the details. he fell asleep in his car outside the home of another woman, woken by the police inside the car, went inside the building, spent the night there and then in the morning he went home. when he went home is when all this happened. put it together. >> there is a little girl with no parents, there has been a murder and suicide. now comes the task of trying to explain what might seem to be the inexplicable. what we do know seemingly is there a long tphaoeuft drink involved, perhaps there is another woman involved. what we do know is that this fellow has a history of violent altercations with women. back in 2006 and 2007 one involved breaking a window, nearly severing his thumb and cutting his wr
new details about the final hours of jovan belcher apartments life. he spent the night with another woman before going home in the morning fighting with his girlfriend, cassandra perkins and shooting her repeatedly. many people report he was drunk the night before and spent the night at the home of another woman. dr. keith ablow is here. take us through the details. he fell asleep in his car outside the home of another woman, woken by the police inside the car, went inside the building, spent...
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in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this facebook page. fire bob costas for his unamerican comments on gun control. hln sports reporter joe carter is here to talk about all of this. what did he say in his own defense? >> i found several fire bob costas facebook pages with lots of likes. he went on the shows yesterday morning and defended himself and said that he did admit he made a mistake, that he used wrong forum to take on such a heavy-handed topic, that he should have listened to his own rule which is when you take on a topic as politically charged as gun control, leave yourself enough time to fully flush out that topic. and as we know
in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this...
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her boyfriend kansas chief players, remembered her boyfriend, jovan belcher. news about their little girl. that's coming up. who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah! and it's more powerful you're saying? yeah! [ male announcer ] it's not complicated. doing two things at once is better. and only at&t's network lets you talk and surf on your iphone 5. ♪ i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedheal
her boyfriend kansas chief players, remembered her boyfriend, jovan belcher. news about their little girl. that's coming up. who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah!...
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. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used by belcher was purchased legally. belcher's mother has been given temporary custody of the couple's daughter, zoe. >> a picture of suspect george zimmerman released by his attorney reportedly taken by a police officer the night zimmerman shot and killed martin. the bloody picture itself is not new, but the fact it's a high resolution color photo is. zimmerman's attorney says it gives the case more context. >> is it devastating? no. but it's just one piece of evidence that shows what george was going through that night and why he re
. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life...
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plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> th
plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans...
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javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't have the facts . no one will know whether or not he would have killed her with or without a gun. >> brian: people with guns can get them. >> steve: he had them legally. >> brian: illegally? >> steve: legally. >> brian: i just don't know it is appropriate enough less than 24 hours after the guy took his girlfriend and mother of his baby to make that stance. i don't think we needed to hear that last night. >> steve: i think you are right. 10 after the top of the hour. >> gretchen: a dope smuggler rams his boat in a another boat. the coast guard
javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't...
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who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have got to get some place why violence and gun violence is not a solution for all of our issues and conflicts. i do think, you know, there is something wrong when we had over a million people killed in our country since bobby kennedy and dr. king were assassinated by guns in 1968, you know, i think we need to have tougher gun laws. i do think, you know there needs to be better security for the athletes. i've counseled a number of athletes who i cannot name, but said the reason why they carry guns is because they fear for their own safety. >> the athletes themselves. >> yeah, but the problem is when they turn around
who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have...
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>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us, randy weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. all guests this morning. wednesday, december 5th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> our "starting point" this morning, president obama putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're
>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us,...
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we have disturbing new details in the murder-suicide case of nfl player jovan belcher. police tell "the kansas city star" that belcher's mother saw him kiss his girlfriend on the forehead saying he was sorry. seconds after he shot her on saturday. he also kissed his baby daughter and apologized to his own mother. >> kansas city police say belcher legally owned the handgun that he used to kill kasandra perkins and then himself there. are no official numbers, but some players and coaches say 50% to 90% of nfl players own guns. jim axelrod looks at why athletes and firearms go together so often. >> i'm 21 years old, i have a lot of money in one pocket and a gun in the other pocket and i'm saying please leave me alone. >> reporter: this is former pro football player marcellus wiley, a gun control advocate speaking three years ago at the brady center about why he used to carry a gun. >> i remember taking the same gun to the nightclubs, to the restaurants where i would go eat. not to be a villain, but just really in a warped sense of mind, an identity trying to protect myself
we have disturbing new details in the murder-suicide case of nfl player jovan belcher. police tell "the kansas city star" that belcher's mother saw him kiss his girlfriend on the forehead saying he was sorry. seconds after he shot her on saturday. he also kissed his baby daughter and apologized to his own mother. >> kansas city police say belcher legally owned the handgun that he used to kill kasandra perkins and then himself there. are no official numbers, but some players and...
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. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into perspective? >> it's a pretty unique situation in terms of nfl history. i think this is really the first time we have ever had this situation where a double murder and a player committing suicide the day before a game is scheduled in that stadium in that city. it's a tragedy. i think the nfl is little bit working without a map because they never had a situation quite this immediate to deal with, and quite this tragic. >> and what is so incredible about this is clearly, by thanking, reportedly, his coach and the general manager, i mean, they must be replaying that moment, you know, when he pulled the
. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into...
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. >>> bob costas talked about the firestorm over his comments following the murder-suicide by jovan belcher. >> what i was talking about here, and i'm sorry if that wasn't clear to everybody, was a gun culture. i never mentioned the second amendment. i never used the words gun control. people inferred that. now, do i believe that we need more comprehensive and more sensible gun control legislation? yes, i do. that doesn't mean repeal of the second amendment. that doesn't mean a prohibition on somebody having a gun to protect their home and their family. it means sensible and more comprehensive gun control legislation. but even if you had that, you would still have the problem of what jason whitlock wrote about and what i agree with and that is a gun culture in this country. >> well, coming up, david beckham says good-bye as fleet wood mak comes roaring back. and the bridge is blasted. you're watching "first look" on msn msnbc. in 2001. since then, there's been one wedding, 2 kids, and 43 bottles of olay total effects. so in spite of 185 tantrums 378 pre-dawn starts and a lot of birthdays, c
. >>> bob costas talked about the firestorm over his comments following the murder-suicide by jovan belcher. >> what i was talking about here, and i'm sorry if that wasn't clear to everybody, was a gun culture. i never mentioned the second amendment. i never used the words gun control. people inferred that. now, do i believe that we need more comprehensive and more sensible gun control legislation? yes, i do. that doesn't mean repeal of the second amendment. that doesn't mean a...
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gevon belcher fatally shooting his girlfriend in their home and driving a few miles in the practice facility and taking his own life in front of the coach. they have a three month old daughter who was in another room at the time of the shooting. egyptian president muhammad mursi calling for a referendum. it was approved by an islamist dominated assembly for mursi. protestors first hitting the streets in reaction to the power grab and they are not happy with the massaging of the country's constitution. i am harris faulkner. let's send you back to huckabee hosted by dana pireno. >> when i was white house press secretary and faced a room full of reporters and i am used to getting tough questions . it has been a a while since i was grilled and since i am guest host and i can't play a bass guitar. i am take questions. only person missing is helen thomas and sit negligent front row and she and i were good friends believe it or not. who is it first. >> hi, dana, i am richard from dallas and got an easy one. you are obviously lovely intelligent nice person, is it difficult to tolerate bob beckel eve
gevon belcher fatally shooting his girlfriend in their home and driving a few miles in the practice facility and taking his own life in front of the coach. they have a three month old daughter who was in another room at the time of the shooting. egyptian president muhammad mursi calling for a referendum. it was approved by an islamist dominated assembly for mursi. protestors first hitting the streets in reaction to the power grab and they are not happy with the massaging of the country's...
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the kansas city chiefs will go ahead with sunday's game after the death of linebacker jovan belcher. he killed his girlfriend then went to arrowhead stadium and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. >>> drenching rain and strong winds have knocked out power for thousands on the west coast, tied up traffic and flooded many roadways in northern california. now back to "lockup." >>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >>> the special emergency response team of san antonio's bexar county jail has just broken up a fight. and one of the combatants is no stranger. >> sir. >> for adam verlander, it's the latest in a string of jail fights. this time, it was with a member of the mexican drug cartel. the fight erupted over a deal between the two inmates. the cartel member had asked verlander a talented artist to create a tattoo sketch for him in exchange for some commissary snacks. >> there's a picture here of the angel of death. >> but the inmate became incensed after discovering that verlander had included a hidden image in the drawing. the two lightn
the kansas city chiefs will go ahead with sunday's game after the death of linebacker jovan belcher. he killed his girlfriend then went to arrowhead stadium and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. >>> drenching rain and strong winds have knocked out power for thousands on the west coast, tied up traffic and flooded many roadways in northern california. now back to "lockup." >>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised....
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. >>> the kansas city chiefs decided to go a45e9d with sunday's game after the death of linebacker belcher. he shot his gill friend who later died and went to arrowhead stadium and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. now back to "caught on camera." >>> usually it's the defendant that's in trouble in the courtroom but when a detention officer takes a privilege document with that permission, his courtroom decorum gets him in trouble. >> i want to know what they took, why they took it, and what's going on. >> i think you should just take a deep breath and calm down here. >> october 2009, phoenix, arizona. defense attorney joanne kuchi speaks to a job when detention officer adam stoddard makes his way to the counsel table behind her. >> sometimes the deputy officers would stand near you if security required it. my focus was on my client and getting through that. >> stoddard begins to look over a privileged document in her case file. >> i left my file on the table behind me and presumed that no one was going to touch it. there was a handwritten letter that was not fastened i
. >>> the kansas city chiefs decided to go a45e9d with sunday's game after the death of linebacker belcher. he shot his gill friend who later died and went to arrowhead stadium and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. now back to "caught on camera." >>> usually it's the defendant that's in trouble in the courtroom but when a detention officer takes a privilege document with that permission, his courtroom decorum gets him in trouble. >> i want...
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jovan belcher shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend in their home and belcher's mother and three month old daughter in another room and he then drove to the chiefs practice facility and met up with the head coach and general manager there before turning away and taking his own life in front of them. >> if you can take your worst nightmare and then put somebody that you know and love into that situation a give them a gun and stand three feet away from them and watch them kill themselves, that's what it's like. it's unfathomable. >> police did not release a motive, but he and his girlfriend had been arguing frequently. he was just 25 years old. >> could a broken signal cause this train to derail. it stopped for a ligred light ad got the approved to go. and investigators are looking into the signal issues may have led to the crash. well, first they ran out of gas while trying to steal gas and two would-be thieves led key efforts. >> i think on the world's dumbest criminals, first you run out of fuel and then leave your truck behind. >> they were trying to steal gas from a golf cours
jovan belcher shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend in their home and belcher's mother and three month old daughter in another room and he then drove to the chiefs practice facility and met up with the head coach and general manager there before turning away and taking his own life in front of them. >> if you can take your worst nightmare and then put somebody that you know and love into that situation a give them a gun and stand three feet away from them and watch them kill...
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. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including the pga championship. he's the youngest winner since tiger woods did it in 1997. >> steve: it's a custody battle that's going to make your blood boil. a good father and u.s. soldier loses his little girl to an estranged wife with a rap sheet. can he make a case to get her back? heather joins us here on the curvy couch with a little discussion about what's going on. >> good morning to you. this is going before the u.s. supreme court later today to hear oral arguments. the outcome of this is likely to set precedent over basically how u.s. courts handle jurisdiction over u.s. american citizens who have a chi
. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including...
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and that is where team officials tried talking to belcher. police describe what happened next as the officers closed in. >> when the officers arrived, when they were pulling up they actually observed a blackmail who had a gun to his head. he was talking to a couple of coaches out in the parking lot, as officers pulled up and began to park that's when they heard the gunshot. it appears the individual took his own life. >> our nbc affiliate says belcher and his girlfriend had a 3-month-old old child now in family custody. what a tragedy there. >>> we also have breaking news from florida. that is where police are interviewing the bus driver who caused a deadly crash at miami international airport. investigators say the driver slammed into a concrete overpass after missing warning signs. two people died. everyone else on board was injured. officials say the more than 30 passengers were mostly senior citizens from the local area. the bus was privately owned. no word on where that bus was heading. >>> it is one of the most treasured deductions for
and that is where team officials tried talking to belcher. police describe what happened next as the officers closed in. >> when the officers arrived, when they were pulling up they actually observed a blackmail who had a gun to his head. he was talking to a couple of coaches out in the parking lot, as officers pulled up and began to park that's when they heard the gunshot. it appears the individual took his own life. >> our nbc affiliate says belcher and his girlfriend had a...
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didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we need to change the laws for 300 million people. he did this. there's is a lack of -- the great issue, not just in the united states, but in the western world, is the urge to dodge personal responsibility. this guy is the beneficiary of one of the wealthiest most successful societies on earth. you should be responsible for your healthcare, and you should also be responsible if you go bananas and kill your wife, that's on your shoulders too. stuart: but you can't win an election telling the world, telling your country, your voters that you've got to be responsible for yourself, for your healthca
didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we...
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the "new york post" says chief linebacker jovan belcher was playing the field, so to speak. and spent the night at another woman's apartment friday night. in the morning, he returned home where he murdered his girlfriend and then turned the gun on himself in front of his coaches. >>> there is a new report that belcher was violent in the past. in 2006, he punched his fist through a window because he was upset with a girl. maybe this whole thing has nothing to do with guns. maybe it was domestic violence. they were portrayed in the book and movie "in cold blood". investigators in florida are trying to figure out if the two men convicted of murdering the clutter family in kansas in 1959 killed another family. dick hickcock and perry smith are suspected of killing the walker family. authorities are hoping to exhume their bodies to test the dna evidence. >>> lawyers for george zimmerman releasing this new photo that they say was taken the night that trayvon martin was shot and killed. you remember this story. the picture now shows zimmerman with a bloody nose. he claims he pulled
the "new york post" says chief linebacker jovan belcher was playing the field, so to speak. and spent the night at another woman's apartment friday night. in the morning, he returned home where he murdered his girlfriend and then turned the gun on himself in front of his coaches. >>> there is a new report that belcher was violent in the past. in 2006, he punched his fist through a window because he was upset with a girl. maybe this whole thing has nothing to do with guns....
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. >> jovan belcher's daughter will get about $1 million from the nfl. the linebacker killed her mother and then killed himself. she will keep getting paid if she goes to college. right now her grandmother is caring for her. >> kobe bryant made history last night. he is the youngest player ever to score 30,000 points. he's only 34 years old. now he's in a very exclusive club. just four our guys have hit 40,000, kareem abdul-jabbar, michael jordan and wilt chamberlain. >> and why is this dog out for a sunday drive? we'll show you in "down to the wire" coming up in 15 minutes. >> another sign the banking industry in america is being permanently reshaped. huge cuts at citibank. how deep are these cuts and what's the industry saying about it? >> chris, citi said it's cutting 4% of its workforce. investors are thinking this is a the first in a series of steps that will shrink the bank to a more manageable and profitable size. the news not a total shot to the market. >> it also kind of feels, maybe because i live in new york, like there's a starbucks on every
. >> jovan belcher's daughter will get about $1 million from the nfl. the linebacker killed her mother and then killed himself. she will keep getting paid if she goes to college. right now her grandmother is caring for her. >> kobe bryant made history last night. he is the youngest player ever to score 30,000 points. he's only 34 years old. now he's in a very exclusive club. just four our guys have hit 40,000, kareem abdul-jabbar, michael jordan and wilt chamberlain. >> and...
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. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic traumatic encephalopathy. it's attributed to alzheimer's. some are attributing it to concussion-like injuries. there's new information out, a new study that's making a lot of news. what is in the study, and why is it significant especially in light of what we've just seen happen over the weekend? >> researchers, ashleigh, have been so curious to know what do the brains of these athletes with chronic -- it's the biggest study. it's the largest mof people. they looked at 68 brains on autopsy of people who died and had chronic traumatic encephalopattie. most were athletes. i think this is really going to explain
. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic...